37F Psychological Operations (PsyOps) Specialist. If you are interested in learning a new language, consider 35P. Though, in keeping with the above, 35P can end up doing stuff in that general area too. If you get a cat III language, your language training will last 48 weeks, not including the time you'll spend at bravo in phase IV/V. As for languages you don't get to pick so don't start thinking about what you want now. With 35M becoming a language dependent MOS, the same logic could apply where you go to DLI and if … I don't know why I didn't think to just search for it. It is worth noting that all the intel MOSes tend to blend together a bit in practice. I've done some research into my MOS (35P), but much of it is dated a year old if not older. Also, looking back ... before you go to basic and get cut off from the world make sure you print off a simple map of the Monterrey area and print off the address for Bravo Company in DLI along with a phone number for their orderly room if you can find it (they are the in-processing company) and put both of those along with money for cab fare in a plastic bag. The behavioral health specialist, under the supervision of a psychiatrist, social worker, psychiatric nurse, psychologist, assists with the management and treatment in/out patient mental health activities, during peace time or mobilization; collects and records psychosocial and physical data; counsels and treats clients/patients with personal, behavioral or mental health … I initially wanted to go 35 series and was shooting for 35P, but hit a snag with old credit debt my wife had from her first marriage. Any info is appreciated and thanks for your time! They cut off at 27. I also got a free six weeks in China. DLI was definitely a lot more like "big army" when I went through a few years ago, no bullshit COB formations, no curfew, 250 mile range limit without passes and generally being treated like a man being. • MOS Credentialing • Financial Readiness / eBenefits / Budget Soldier Initial Phase • Self Assessment Life Cycle 0 - 1 Years • IDP in ACT (SLC) • First Duty Station / Home Station Drill Touch Point AR 600-81 • First Year Touch Point MOS 2673, Asia-Pacific Cryptologic Linguist covers those fluent in Cambodian, Cantonese or Mandarin, Japanese, and Korean; MOS 2674, European Cryptologic Linguist includes Spanish, French, German, and Haitian-Creole; MOS 2676, Central Asian Cryptologic Linguist demands proficiency in Afghan or Farsi, Czech, Hungarian, Russian, and other … I'm still debating whether I wanna stay in and go warrant or switch MOS, do another few years and then get out to get a sweet DOD job or something like that. A cryptologic analyst (MOS 35P) in the U.S. Army identifies foreign language communications using signals equipment. As a Military Intelligence (MI) Systems Maintainer / Integrator, you’ll make sure we can always find, know, and never lose the enemy by making sure the equipment used by the Military Intelligence Soldiers, including computers and networks, is kept in top working condition. Promotion is a cakewalk, as in E5 and E6 are damn-near automatic. If you're lucky you may get mandarin or japanese. Any pros or cons to either? Thanks. I've heard that the 3 letter agencies (specifically the DIA and NSA) recruit heavily from that field. Unless they changed it since I originally enlisted, 35W was a placeholder MOS for 35P/35N. I'm already contracted, and, naturally, I'd give it my all. Your job duties will include: Identify and analyze foreign communications. This isn't even a temporary thing, E5 points have been consistently at minimum (if you can pass a PT test and qualify with your rifle, you have too many points for 35F) for years and years now. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Does my LTC/O-5 need to sign my DA 4187? If you are interest in learning a language and a job with lots of "special" opportunities take a look at 35P. Is it so long because of the dialect training, or is it that some people don't pass their proficiency tests (if that's even how it works) before their allotted training is up. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The same goes for 35P/EOD dropouts that reclass and get to enjoy being an IET soldier in a regular AIT. I would have, but was too old. Not entirely sure what you mean by "get a new mos", though. I grew mentally, professionally, and maturely with the job. Any specific, updated news is good news. If I remember right, the curfew was later and alcohol in moderation was acceptable but there were still no overnight passes. (<---Experience), pray for a strategic assignment because a tactical assignment will kill all the language development the military has invested in you. I see. The option 40 is great for 35F (all-source) but my understanding is the other intel MOS' are almost always filled by E4 and above - Soldier who have a least a little experience in their MOS. Would anyone have more recent knowledge about the following: (1) What languages are being assigned (with recent developments in Russia and the Middle East); (2) How much of the 52 weeks of DEFLANG are sparsed between DLI and Goodfellow; and (3) What EXACTLY is so shitty about Goodfellow. I'm a 30 year old PFC who has been in for about a year and a half. Language school can be anywhere from 6 months to 18 months depending on which course you get so they don't want to block off too much or too little time so they settle for middle of the road. 35P here. There's also extra pay depending on your language and proficiency, as well as generally juicy reenlistment bonuses. Anyone out there able to tell me what the job entails for these MOSs on a daily basis? Could you clarify the roles of a Lima though? Also, the Army will pay you to become fairly proficient in a language and a little bit of effort on your part will net you an Associate Degree as a bonus. I've done some research into my MOS (35P), but much of it is dated a year old if not older. Is there some concrete set of days one spends there, or is the length as varied a trainee's time at DLI (depending on language and other stuff)? The logic as I understood it at the time was that language training is already stressful enough that they didn't want us to deal with the extra bullshit on top of it. Do not process, store, or transmit any Personally Identifiable Information (PII), UNCLASSIFIED/FOUO or CLASSIFIED information on this system. We 35P's are only there for maybe 3-4 months at most so it's tolerable, it's just a huge step back in privileges and respect. I have no idea if these are still in effect anywhere, and I hope they're not. Soldiers can receive more than one selective retention bonus … The role of 35P MOS involves a lot more than just translating and communicating foreign languages. (16) Formal training (completion of MOS 35P course under the auspices of USAIC&FH, Ft Huachuca, AZ) mandatory. As a current 35P, I would have to say that our job can be damn near anything. The 52 weeks is just a standard amount of time they set aside for language training since they don't assign you a language until you arrive at DLI. Army Intelligence Analyst (MOS 35F) are responsible for the collection, analysis, security and dispensing of critical and sensitive intelligence information. Not saying you won't have to study, but you'll be better off than most. Edit to add: Since you are MOS-T, take a look at 35L. Your company commander can sign the 4187. more than likely you will be taught one of the many many middle eastern languages. Like someone said, DLI mostly treats you like an adult after a couple weeks of frustration in Phase 4. My question is, I've been hearing bunch of things about the selection for the language. I am interested in learning another language, but I hear that 35F promotes faster so that's what attracted me to the idea of it. If DLI was passed, you go to Goodfellow for 35P. I mention the ASVAB only because I'm not entirely sure this isn't considered for anything. Job Detail. The schooling is long as fuck but Monterey is awesome and as a MOS-T you may escape more of the IET bullshit and actually enjoy it. Infantry is on the list as top ten jobs in the Army for civilian life for reasons different than many of the other MOS’s. Though P's are a bit stuck up and obnoxious especially around their other 35 counterparts (looking at the Novembers here, literally the dumbest people on earth) most of us know our shit. 35P MOS. What did you do primarily when you were in? Barring that, 35P is very hit-or-miss on marketability depending on language. Whatever you do, avoid 35T. Read somewhere that the DFAC was better too. Chinese for me was 64 weeks DLI with no rollbacks, and a condensed course at Goodfellow over about ten weeks. My reenlistment window opens up in January and I'm going to try to get that TS clearance and go MI finally. (3) Like I said, I was only there for ten weeks, but I didn't think Goodfellow was that bad. If it's the latter, are there any consequences to taking so long? Then simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. Performs and supervises detection, acquisition, geolocation, identification, and exploitation and analysis of foreign communications at all echelons. For example, the Army currently offers up to a $40,000 cash bonus to become an Army Human Intelligence Collector (MOS 35M) or Cryptologic Linguist (MOS 35P). If you're a natural student and language comes naturally to you, you'll be fine at DLI. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What EXACTLY is so shitty about Goodfellow? as another poster has pointed out, the reason most people hate goodfellow is due to being treated like a dumb fuck private fresh out of basic, even though you could have been in the army for 2 plus years by that point. Hey, guys. (2) Already answered, but depends on the language. The different languages DLI offers is technically OPSEC because you don't want to go about broadcasting what languages the United States Military is focusing on as it is a good indicator of where the military plans to be in a few years. If not, 35N. We did TRADOC life for nearly 2 years, for the most part know how good and terrible NCO's operate, can fill out a fuckin' DA31 by the following Christmas at DLI, and generally after DLI don't fuck up at all. I had been so focused on eventually reclassing to 35P that I hadn't thought to check out the other 35 series positions. This comment has been overwritten by an open source script to protect this user's privacy. 89D Explosive Ordnance Specialist. Plus it'll get you a T'S/SCI clearance. Look at it this way, the bare minimum passing language score will pay you $1200 / year. 35Q eh? Yes. If you get a cat IV language, your training will least 64 weeks. Anyway, DLI is awesome and you should love your time there. I was not sure whether I wanted to reenlist and then go warrant in an MI role or whether I want to get that TS and get a sweet cushy civilian job. © 2021 United States National Guard ELIGIBILITY. 35T Military Intelligence Systems Maintainer/Integrator. That being said, I heard that it has become a lot more restrictive in the last couple years, but who knows. It isn't that Goodfellow is bad for an AIT location (come on, it is an air force base), it is that all you'll really have to compare it to at that point is Monterey. I was gonna shoot for the Cat 4 languages if I did go 35P. This. Lastly, if you make it through DLI, pray for a strategic assignment because a tactical assignment will kill all the language development the military has invested in you. I say this only because there is no system in place for getting new soldiers from the Monterrey Airport to the in-processing company at DLI (your first indication of a cluster). Review: “I did this job for 23 plus years. Sergeants in the 35P cryptologic linguist career field also qualify for tier 10 bonuses. Human Intelligence Collector (MOS 35M) Description / Major Duties: The human intelligence collector is able to operate as part of an Army modular component to a Joint Task Force organization and conducts operations in a joint/combined operations environment. The leadership at DLI fought hard for an exception and got one for most of those. When you graduate from basic take a very close look at the orders you are handed to go to DLI because it will say on there the language code they have you slotted for ... but take it with a grain of salt because when you arrive in Monterrey the S3 shop will put you in whatever language slot they feel like. Their primary job is to make sure that radio systems, computers, local networks, generators, etc. MOS 25U has a long-winded name, but in the Army they just call them Commo guys (or girls). If you would like to do the same, add the browser extension TamperMonkey for Chrome (or GreaseMonkey for Firefox) and add this open source script. What It Takes; How to Join; Basic Training; Prior Service; Fitness Calculator The 2 plus years that you mentioned. The schooling is long as fuck but Monterey is awesome and as a MOS-T you may escape more of the IET bullshit and actually enjoy it. My scores are a 92 on the ASVAB and a 130 on the DLAB. PM me if you have questions. Supervises and conducts HUMINT collection operations. Lots of work though. If you qualify for CAT IV languages, then your probably looking at Chinese, Korean, or Pashto. You'll either see everyone with a pulse get promoted (which has its down sides), or it can be comparatively hard for an intel MOS. Do ask about 35Q slots, because that is the new hotness, and as soon as someone inevitably mounts a very public cyber attack, it will become even more important. 35P has some of the best cool guy opportunities in the Army, and has a better garrison mission than many other MOSes, depending on unit and duty station. If you want to be intelligence you might as well go Air Force. It doesn't include Goodfellow, which is a separate training altogether. After hanging out in California for a year pretty much anything is going to feel like a downgrade, and getting the full AIT experience after tasting freedom tends to make folks bitter. Goodfellow had no such exception, so it was a rough transition for many. No. This was the one that I wanted, but i had a slight hiccup on my record so I can't get it until i renelist. We're in the process of paying it off now. There's a thing that all-source analysts do on paper, but since they're so prolific they often end up as "general intel bitch", which means everything from doing their standard analyst job to working in the SSO, filling in for a tango as a systems maintainer, or being attached to single-source shops (mikes, golfs, novembers, etc). Depending on the language of course, your time at DLI can be really awesome (regardless of IET or Careerist status) or a huge fucking hassle because you have 0 free time. The security accreditation level of this site is UNCLASSIFIED and below. That said, what is important to you? Thanks for the lead. “The risk to our current and future carrier fleet far exceeds the one-time costs of making Mayport CVN capable,” wrote the state’s 29-member … Depending on your language, you may be restricted to a small number of duty stations. If you already speak a language you should be able to take a DLPT in that language, pass by army standards, and you can skip DLI altogether. Pashto is a god awful devil tongue that everybody and their mother (I'm being quite literal here) speak differently, but the flip side is, its easy to learn / (slide by in) at DLI, and studying goes from an hour a day thing to 10 minutes before your next quiz thing. 35P Cryptologic Linguist. A Cryptologic Linguist (MOS 35P) has an important job in combat situations that take place in foreign countries where there is a language barrier. Removed the sensitive stuff, I think. 51C is open to any MOS. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Where are the military training schools located? The Army provides incentives to join certain Military Occupational Specialties. Hey, guys. But cryptologic linguists are expected to know a second language, which is not a requirement of MOS 35N. a quick google found this infor, so you maybe will get a useful language, 95 for a Category I language (French, Spanish) 100 for a Category II language (N/A) 105 for a Category III language (Hebrew, Persian, Russian, Serbian/Croatian, Tagalog [Filipino], Thai, Lao, Dari) 110 for a Category IV language (Arabic, Chinese, Pashto, and Korean). Chinese and Korean are both hard to learn a DLI but useful and have a lot more going for them in terms of media. Easier now with the internet, but even still, lack of anything to talk about with your linguist peers is a killer. It will keep well in your personal belongings which the Drill Sergeants will lock away at the very beginning of basic. I did take the DLAB prior to enlisting and scored like a 125 on it, so they said I could pretty much get any language. Image: Army.mil There’s an old saying in the Army that goes like this: There’s 180 jobs in the Army, and 179 of them are support. The chinese course has people taking their notecards to lunch trying to memorize the symbols, and Korean is apparently just hard for english speakers to learn in general. Your search matched the Army MOS code: 35P Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) Voice Interceptor (Enlisted) Learn more about this military classification from Careers in the Military. The info on length helps. You don't choose the language, they stick you with what the army needs. A signals intelligence analyst examines foreign communications/activity and relays that information by producing combat, strategic and tactical intelligence reports. • MOS Credentialing • Financial Readiness / eBenefits / Budget Soldier Initial Phase • Self Assessment Life Cycle 0 - 1 Years • IDP in ACT (SLC) • First Duty Station / Home Station Drill Touch Point AR 600-81 • First Year Touch Point I am guessing you don't know anything about the manning for 35P's. That means instead of going option 40 (to RASP right after AIT) you need a utilization tour somewhere first. If you have any MOS resources, schools, etc, this would be a great place to share them. After 2 years of washing TRQ-32's and picking up garbage at an infantry base, that was pretty much gone. Coming out of training you have a 50/50 shot of going to a strategic unit and once you get there you have a 50/50 shot of getting assigned to a unit that uses linguist properly. I was a 35F and I loved it. 91B Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic. It is also clumsy at determining/compensating for strength requirements. 35P KP (Korean) is the language I want to get in. 91D Power Generator Equipment Repairer. are all working properly. 35F will mean a lot more assignment malleability, since pretty much everywhere has foxes. 91C Utilities Equipment Repairer. Thanks for the reply. This MOS is what I really wanted to reclassify into. Requirements for Signals Intelligence Analysts . You may never make E-5, and you may never even do your job in training past IET, let alone in the context of a meaningful mission. A cryptologic linguist is primarily responsible for identifying foreign communications using signals equipment. Sep 10 2019. You're likely gonna get something CAT III or higher. About a year ago, while I was in the last leg of my DLI experience, a pile of rules came down governing TRADOC Soldiers Army-wide. This is one a the few cases were I would suggest someone to join another branch of service (NAVY or AF )to be a linguist, because its really a gamble if you will actually be assigned to a place where you will do your job. Read More. My question is which is better 35P or 35F? Aug 20 2019. Army Intel don't even make no lick of sense. Love 0. Gonna have to do my homework more on it. This means you'll likely have more opportunities to do different things, but also that your skillset will be less specialized. I have a buddy who is a 35F and he told me about the ridiculously low promotion points which interested me as I have a family to support and, since I'm older, I want to rank up as quickly as possible. I mention the ASVAB only because I'm not entirely sure this isn't considered for anything. My expectations were low. Yeah, I've seen that info, but a lot of the comments and threads I've also seen tend to dismiss these options. Since there are only particular languages are opened and others are closed, am I going to be selected for one of the opened language slots, right? My platoon had 35P, 35N, 35S all doing the same job, and I've seen 35F and 35P/N also do the same thing downrange. There are 35P's which are only bested by 35L's, and then there's everybody else in no particular order, because P's don't give a shit. The Army loves wasting people's time, regardless of how expensive, important, and rare their skillsets are, but there are a lot of opportunities to do missions that literally affect the fate of the world. (15) MOS closed for reclassification at SFC, MSG and SGM, except for those Soldiers within CMF 35. You're slightly more likely to do your official job, but you could end up doing any number of things. They have potentially cool missions, and in my experience, the worst case scenario is they get to fuck off very far away from the flag pole in civilian clothes, and actually, no bullshit, get paid extra for the privilege of getting to wear civilians to work. Do you want civilian marketable skills, to go into some super high speed unit, to learn another language, to have a non-shitty garrison job, to pick up ladies (note: intel does not help you pick up ladies)? My scores are a 92 on the ASVAB and a 130 on the DLAB. However, you may only apply if your MOS is balanced or over strength. MOS-Specific Bonus. Thanks! Is it worth $1200/year to pick 35F over 35P? unless you plan on giving it your all, I'd get a new mos. As dotnetdot mentioned though, 35P promotions depend on your language code. (<---Experience). Good points. Again, not including time doing your soldierization training at bravo. Yep. Depending on your language, you may be restricted to a small number of duty stations. Read More. Their role is crucial as the nation’s defense depends largely on information that comes from foreign languages. That being said, I recommend joining the air force. Must complete formal language training with required DLPT score in accordance with AR 11-6. There seems to be a yo-yo effect on overstrength/understrength languages that I can't help but feel could be mitigated by a solid excel spreadsheet. Well the Army calls the language Chinese-Mandarin so I think its acceptable to call it Chinese. In a March 20 letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and acting Navy Secretary Sean Stackley, the legislators argued — as they have in the past — that homeporting all the East Coast carrier fleet in Hampton Roads is dangerous. Currently 35P, PM me if you have any questions you would like answered in length. Mechanic, Maintenance, and Ordnance: 89B Ammunition Specialist. Threads on reddit are not archived - and can continue to be commented in - until 6 months. New rules instituted a 24/7 battle buddy system, daily curfew of 2100, zero alcohol consumption, and no overnight/weekend/four day passes except in special cases. Barring that, 35P is very hit-or-miss on marketability depending on language. Poor dude is probably an Arabic linguist who has been stuck at E-4 for 4 … 5. (1) It's a nice thought, but the military is not spectacular at reacting deftly to recent developments. And even if you are mowing the grass, well, you're being paid more than most others of your pay grade to mow the grass. The importance of this job is crucial, especially important in combat situations in foreign countries, where the ability to understand communications in other languages. Promotion is hit-or-miss, again, depending on how badly the Army needs your language. Students searching for 35G MOS Civilian Jobs found the following related articles and links useful. Love 0. Sometimes the MOS is high-risk and dangerous, or there is a big demand to fill positions. I can almost assure you you're not gonna get French or Spanish. Don't discount the other intel jobs either. Great MOS all around. As for goodfellow: the training there has a varied length as well based on language/dialect training etc etc. While a 35F is like an Intel swiss army knife, a 35P is like that dull old knife that you basically use as multitool. By McArthur Newell. This Army MOS surrounds analyzing large amounts of data, creating maps and … The hope is that these individual threads can serve as 'megathreads' on the posts in question, and we can get advice from experienced persons. It also offers what is probably the least consistent work role of the 35-series. I used to be a Russian linguist. Is that the cyber warfare specialist? This job is closely related to MOS 35P, cryptologic linguist, which also interprets signals with the goal of creating intelligence reports. Thanks.